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HomeMy WebLinkAboutBates 09308-09332 December 11, 2019 SLOPC Pt 2 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 SAN LUIS OBISPO CITY PLANNING COMMISSION 9 DECEMBER 11, 2019 PART 2 10 AGENDA ITEM 2. PROJECT ADDRESS: 12165 AND 12393 LOS OSOS 11 VALLEY ROAD; CASE# SPEC 0143-2017/GENP 0737-2019/SBDV 0955-2017/EID 12 0738-2019; GENERAL PLAN (LAND USE ELEMENT) DESIGNATED: SPECIFIC 13 PLAN AREA SP-3 (MADONNA ON LOS OSOS VALLEY ROAD SPECIFIC PLAN): 14 JM DEVELOPMENT GROUP, INC. APPLICANT 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 ADAMSKI, MOROSKI, MADDEN, CUMBERLAND & GREEN 24 6633 BAY LAUREL PLACE 25 AVILA BEACH CA 93424 26 PHONE (805) 543-0990 27 FAX (805) 543-0980 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 DATE OF TRANSCRIPT: JANUARY 6, 2021 41 TRANSCRIBER: MEGAN BOCHUM 42 MCDANIEL REPORTING 43 1302 OSOS STREET 44 SAN LUIS OBISPO CA 93401 45 PHONE (805) 544-3363 46 FAX (805) 544-7427 47 48 49 09308 McDaniel Court Reporters (805) 544-3363 2 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 APPEARANCES 11 12 MR. MIKE WULKAN, CHAIR 13 CITY OF SAN LUIS OBISPO PLANNING COMMISSION 14 15 MR. ROBERT JORGENSON, COMMISSIONER 16 CITY OF SAN LUIS OBISPO PLANNING COMMISSION 17 18 MR. STEVE KAHN, COMMISSIONER 19 CITY OF SAN LUIS OBISPO PLANNING COMMISSION 20 21 MR. JOHN MCKENZIE, COMMISSIONER 22 CITY OF SAN LUIS OBISPO PLANNING COMMISSION 23 24 MR. CHARLES STEVENSON, COMMISSIONER 25 CITY OF SAN LUIS OBISPO PLANNING COMMISSIONER 26 27 MR. LUKE SCHWARTZ, TRANSPORTATION MANAGER 28 CITY OF SAN LUIS OBISPO 29 30 MS. SHAWNA SCOTT, CONTRACT PLANNER 31 SWCA ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANTS 32 33 MS. EMILY CREEL, PLANNER 34 SWCA ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANTS 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 09309 McDaniel Court Reporters (805) 544-3363 3 CHAIR WULKAN: OKAY. SO WE’RE RECONVENING THE PLANNING 1 COMMISSION MEETING ON THE FROOM RANCH EIR. IF -- IF PEOPLE COULD, 2 PLEASE, CURTAIL THEIR CONVERSATIONS OR WE WOULD APPRECIATE IT. 3 SO WE’RE ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION COMMENT NOW ON 4 THE FROOM RANCH DRAFT EIR, AND I THINK WE -- THERE WAS CONSENSUS 5 THAT WE SHOULD GO BY TOPIC AS LISTED IN THE EIR, AND THEN EACH 6 COMMISSIONER CAN -- CAN MAKE COMMENTS ON THAT TOPIC AND THEN 7 WE’LL GO ON TO THE NEXT ONE. 8 SO THE FIRST TOPIC IS AESTHETICS AND VISUAL RESOURCES. 9 ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS ON AESTHETICS AND 10 VISUAL RESOURCES? COMMISSIONER MCKENZIE? 11 COMMISSIONER MCKENZIE: THANKS. JUST I -- I HEARD THAT THE 12 RIPARIAN -- AND THIS IS JUST THE RIPARIAN CORRIDOR ALONG LOVR. IT’S 13 MY UNDERSTANDING THAT I THINK ALL OF IT’S GONNA BE REMOVED WITH 14 ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, SO IT’S THAT WHOLE CORRIDOR IS NO LONGER GOING 15 TO BE BENEFITING FROM THAT SCREENING. AND SO I’M JUST -- I’M HOPEFUL 16 TO SEE IN THE FINAL DOCUMENT OR MAYBE IN ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE 17 THAT THERE BE A GOOD FOCUS ON ROBUST RIPARIAN REPLANTING TO BE 18 ABLE TO ACHIEVE THAT SIMILAR LEVEL OF SCREENING ALONG THE CREEK. 19 AND LET’S SEE. I DON’T KNOW IF THERE’S ANY PROVISIONS 20 THAT COULD BE ADDED TO DELAY THAT REMOVAL UNTIL THE LAST 21 POSSIBLE POINT. I -- I DO THINK THAT IT’S THE PHASE ONE THING, SO MAYBE 22 IT CAN’T BE DELAYED TOO MUCH. 23 ON TRAILS, I SUGGESTING MAYBE ADDING A TRAILS MAP, SINCE 24 THE TRAIL NAMES WERE USED, BUT WITHOUT ANY REFERENCE TO WHERE 25 09310 McDaniel Court Reporters (805) 544-3363 4 THOSE WERE. 1 I -- I DO DISAGREE WITH THE CLASS ONE CONCLUSION FROM THE 2 HIKERS’ VANTAGE POINT. WHILE THE FOREGROUND IS NOT POPULATED 3 WITH -- WITH BUILDINGS, BECAUSE YOU’RE LOOKING INTO A SEA OF URBAN 4 AREA, I -- I -- I PERSONALLY DON’T SEE THAT AS A CLASS ONE IMPACT. 5 BUT IF THAT’S GOING TO BE RETAINED IN THE DOCUMENT, I -- I 6 WOULD -- IT WOULD SEEM APPROPRIATE TO INCLUDE SOME KIND OF 7 LANDSCAPING PROGRAM FOR THE SECTIONS OF TRAIL THAT WOULD BE 8 CONSIDERED A – A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT, THAT SOME KIND OF SHRUBS OR 9 TREES BE PLANTED THAT WOULD BE NATIVE AND WORK BEST. I KNOW THAT 10 THERE’S NOT A LOT OF TREES IN THAT AREA, BUT THAT WOULD BE A WAY TO 11 HELP SOFTEN THAT IMPACT. 12 COLORS. I JUST DIDN’T SEE ANY REFERENCE TO USING MUTED 13 EARTH TONE EXTERIOR COLORS IN THE EXAMPLES PROVIDED. ORANGE 14 ROOFS POPPED OUT OBVIOUSLY, BUT IF THEY WERE BROWN ROOFS, THEY 15 WOULD RECEDE INTO THE – THE – THE BACKGROUND AND WOULD NOT BE A 16 – A -- AS OR MUCH LESS OF A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT. 17 AND -- AND THAT WOULD BE MOSTLY FOR ANYTHING THAT’S 18 OVER THE 150-FOOT ELEVATION. IT WOULD -- ANYTHING BELOW THAT, JUST 19 AS WITH THE REST OF THE LOVR CORRIDOR, THERE WOULDN’T BE ANY KIND 20 OF COLOR RESTRICTIONS. 21 RETAINING WALLS. THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT LONG 22 RETAINING WALLS. I DIDN’T SEE ANYTHING ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THOSE 23 RETAINING WALLS, BUT THOSE, IF THEY’RE A BRIGHT WHITE COLOR, CAN BE 24 VERY VISUALLY PROMINENT. I WOULD -- IT WOULD SEEM APPROPRIATE TO 25 09311 McDaniel Court Reporters (805) 544-3363 5 INCLUDE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, AT WHAT POINT THE 1 LENGTH AND HEIGHT CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE AND SHOULD HAVE SOME 2 VISUAL TREATMENTS OR THE USE OF DARKER COLORED MATERIALS, 3 CONCRETE BLOCKS. 4 FENCING ALSO -- IF IT’S A WHITE -- WHITE FENCE, THAT’S ALSO 5 VERY PROMINENT. IF THERE’S GOING TO BE FENCING BEYOND THE 6 BOUNDARIES OR ANYTHING ABOVE THE 150-FOOT, THAT SHOULD BE 7 EVALUATED. AND MAYBE THE USE OF MUTED EARTH TONE COLORS BE 8 CONSIDERED FOR THAT. AND THAT WOULD CONCLUDE MY COMMENTS ON 9 AESTHETICS. 10 CHAIR WULKAN: THANK YOU. AND I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER 11 MCKENZIE’S COMMENT ABOUT THE CLASS ONE IMPACT ON -- REGARDING 12 VIEW FROM THE TRAIL. I AGREE THAT THAT’S PROBABLY NOT A CLASS ONE. 13 OKAY. GOING ON TO AGRICULTURAL RESOURCES? ANY 14 COMMENTS ON AGRICULTURAL RESOURCES? 15 SEEING NONE, WE’LL GO TO AIR QUALITY AND GREENHOUSE GAS 16 EMISSIONS. COMMISSIONER MCKENZIE. 17 COMMISSIONER MCKENZIE: JUST A QUICK ONE. SINCE IT IS A CLASS 18 ONE IMPACT, I DON’T KNOW IF IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO BE 19 SUGGESTING ANY -- AND I’M THINKING SOLAR, BUT IT COULD BE OTHER 20 THINGS -- BUT OTHER MEASURES THAT WOULD HELP IN SOME OF THE GOALS 21 OF THE CITY TO REDUCE EMISSIONS. 22 AS FAR AS MAYBE LOOKING OR SUGGESTING THAT MAYBE ALL 23 APPROPRIATE SOLAR SUN FACING ROOFS, IF IT’S ABOVE AND BEYOND THE 24 NET ZERO, THAT MAYBE ADDITIONAL SOLAR BE CONSIDERED TO HELP 25 09312 McDaniel Court Reporters (805) 544-3363 6 OFFSET THOSE IMPACTS. 1 CHAIR WULKAN: OKAY. THANK YOU. BIOLOGICAL RESOURCES. 2 COMMISSIONER MCKENZIE? 3 COMMISSIONER MCKENZIE: THANK YOU. I -- I DIDN’T SEE IT. MAYBE 4 I MISSED IT. BUT I THINK THERE’S A NEEDS TO BE ANOTHER MITIGATION 5 ADDED ABOUT WORKER TRAINING ELEMENT, SINCE THERE IS SENSITIVE 6 WILDLIFE IN THE AREA, BUT MAYBE I JUST MISSED IT, AS WELL AS GOOD 7 HOUSEKEEPING PRACTICES BY THE CONSTRUCTION CREWS, AS FAR AS KIND 8 OF DEALING WITH THE BIRDS. AND -- AND I FOUND THAT THAT CAN PROVIDE 9 A – A REALLY GOOD INCEN – OR MEANS – MEANS TO MINIMIZE ANY NESTING 10 WITHIN THE STAGING AREAS OR EQUIPMENT THAT’S IDLE FOR ANY LENGTH 11 OF TIME. 12 QUESTION ABOUT THE USE OF THE WORD CONTAINER. I THINK 13 THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO DELETE THAT. JUST THINKING ABOUT IF -- YOU 14 KNOW, AS AN EXAMPLE, IF LONG WILLOW CUTTINGS ARE USED IN THE -- IN 15 THE ARMORED AREAS OF THE -- THE NEW CREEK, THOSE DON’T USE 16 CONTAINERS, AND THEY’RE THERE PROBABLY ARE OTHER PLANTS THAT 17 CONTAINERS MIGHT NOT BE THE APPROPRIATE TERM. AND JUST MAKE IT 18 SOMETHING MORE GENERIC. 19 AND A QUESTION IS HOW -- THERE WASN’T ANY DISCUSSION 20 ABOUT HOW MUCH THE -- THE -- THE CREEK NEW – RE -- REALIGNMENT 21 WOULD BE ARMORED WITH RIPRAP. AND JUST THEN A QUESTION THEN 22 WOULD COME WITH THAT IS, WHAT LEVEL -- WHAT QUALITY OF RIPARIAN 23 VEGETATION, YOU KNOW, CAN BE ESTABLISHED, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DO 24 HAVE ARMORED SECTIONS OF THE CREEK? 25 09313 McDaniel Court Reporters (805) 544-3363 7 I THINK THAT’S IT. THANK YOU. 1 CHAIR WULKAN: THANK YOU. CULTURAL AND TRIBAL CULTURAL 2 RESOURCES. 3 COMMISSIONER STEVENSON: MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE SOME 4 COMMENTS ON THAT. 5 CHAIR WULKAN: OKAY. MR. STEVENSON. 6 COMMISSIONER STEVENSON: SO I WAS REFERENCING PAGE 3.51, AND 7 IT WAS UNDER CULTURAL AND TRIBAL CULTURAL RESOURCES, AND WAS 8 STRUCK BY THE OPENING COMMENT IN THAT ENVIRONMENTAL SETTING 9 THAT THE PROJECT SITE WAS INHABITED PREHISTORICALLY BY OBISPENO 10 CHUMASH FOR AT LEAST TEN THOUSAND YEARS. AND SO I THINK THIS IS A – 11 POTENTIALLY, A VERY SIGNIFICANT SITE. I KNOW IT’S BEEN 12 ACKNOWLEDGED IN THE DRAFT EIR AS SUCH. 13 IN PARTICULAR I THINK THIS SITE MAY HOLD SOME VERY 14 SIGNIFICANT RESOURCES, PREHISTORIC AND ARCHAEOLOGICAL AS WELL, 15 BECAUSE THIS SITE HAS GREAT ATTRIBUTES FOR -- FOR SURVIVING ON THAT 16 SITE, THE WATER SOURCE, IT’S ON A HILL. IT’S UP AGAINST THERE’S 17 WILDLIFE UP IN THE MOUNTAINS THERE. THERE’S VIEWS OF THE MORROS, 18 WHICH IS AN IMPORTANT ASPECT OF CHUMASH CULTURE. 19 SO WHAT CONCERNED ME WAS THAT THE LEVEL OF -- OF 20 SEARCH AND INVESTIGATION THAT WAS DONE SO FAR, WHICH -- WHICH IS -- 21 WHICH IS UNDERSTANDABLE, BUT BASICALLY PEDESTRIAN AND GROUND 22 SURFACE SURVEYS WERE DONE IN – IN JANUARY 2015. 23 THERE ARE SEVERAL ACKNOWLEDGED OR RECORDED SITES 24 WITH ROCK -- FOREROCK (SIC) OUTCROPS CONTAINING ONE TO THREE 25 09314 McDaniel Court Reporters (805) 544-3363 8 BEDROCK MORTAR HOLES, EIGHT MORTAR HOLES -- MORTAR HOLES FOUND 1 IN, AS WELL AS A NUMBER OF STONE – STONE TOOL MANUFACTURING 2 FLAKES, SHELLFISH, ANIMAL BONE FRAGMENTS, SCATTERED PARTS AND SO 3 FORTH. SO IT -- IT TELLS ME THAT THE POTENTIAL IS SIGNIFICANT THERE. 4 AND WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, BASED ON WHAT I 5 UNDERSTAND FROM THE REPORT, WAS THAT THERE WAS A LIMITED PHASE 6 TWO CULTURAL ASSESSMENT MEETING, I GUESS, SOME REQUIREMENTS OF 7 SUBSURFACE EXPLORATION. I’M NOT SURE. I GENERALLY FAMILIAR WITH 8 WHAT THAT MEANS. 9 BUT I THINK MORE NEEDS TO BE DONE. I THINK A FULL 10 SUBSURFACE ASSESSMENT NEEDS TO BE DONE ON SOME PARTICULAR SITES, 11 AND I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN ADVANCE OF AS PART OF THIS 12 ANALYSIS IN MY OPINION. THE REASON BEING IS BECAUSE BASED ON THE 13 TRIBAL CONSULTATIONS, REPRESENTATIVES INDICATED THAT THEY 14 WANTED TO SEE AVOIDANCE OF ANY ARCHEOLOGICAL LOCATIONS, AND I 15 THINK THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED THEY WILL BE AVOIDING THE 16 MORTAR SITES, BUT THERE MAY BE MUCH MORE. 17 AND FURTHER, THE DRAFT EIR ALSO TALKS ABOUT HOW, IF -- IF -18 - IF DURING THE -- THE SUBSURFACE ASSESSMENT -- AFTER THAT’S DONE, IF 19 THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT COMPONENTS FOUND, THAT THE SITE OF THE 20 PROJECT WOULD NEED TO BE REDESIGNED. 21 I THINK THAT AND -- SORT OF ECHOING VIC MONTGOMERY’S 22 COMMENTS -- THAT A MORE CONSERVATIVE APPROACH IS UNDERSTAND 23 THOSE IMPACTS NOW, BEFORE WE GET TOO FAR DOWN THE ROAD, AND 24 09315 McDaniel Court Reporters (805) 544-3363 9 YOU’RE DOING SUBSURFACE RESEARCH AT THAT POINT AND WE’RE FINDING 1 SIGNIFICANT MATERIAL, WHICH I THINK THE POTENTIAL IS VERY HIGH. 2 SO I THINK IN ADVANCING THAT, SO I THINK THIS IS REINFORCED 3 UNDER IMPACTS CR1, “PROJECT GRADING AND CONSTRUCTION WOULD 4 OCCUR WITHIN THE AREAS OF PREHISTORIC ARCHEOLOGICAL SENSITIVITY 5 WITH THE POTENTIAL TO IMPACT SUBSURFACE CULTURAL OR TRIBAL 6 CULTURAL RESOURCES.” 7 SO I THINK I WANT TO REALLY STRESS THE IMPORTANCE OF US 8 UNDERSTANDING THE RESOURCES THE TRIBAL -- THE CHUMASH HISTORY OF 9 THAT SITE, AND SO ONE OF THE MITIGATIONS I -- I WOULD LIKE TO SEE 10 COMING OUT OF THIS IS -- IS MORE INFORMATION AS A MITIGATION, SO -- 11 AND I THINK INCLUDING EVEN SOME FEATURES IN THE SITE THAT WOULD 12 TELL THE STORY, SO I’M THINKING THINGS LIKE ETHNOBOTANICAL GARDEN, 13 SOME PUBLIC ART, SOME INTERPRETATIONAL SIGNAGE THAT -- THAT 14 INFORMS -- AND IT COULD BE INCORPORATED AS PART OF THE HISTORIC SITE 15 AS WELL. 16 I THINK IN MY VIEW, I THINK WE NEED TO STRESS MORE THE 17 CHUMASH PARTICIPATION AND USE OF THAT SITE THAN WE DO THE OTHER. I 18 DON’T WANT TO DIMINISH THAT, BUT I THINK THEY WERE THERE FOR TEN 19 THOUSAND YEARS, SO I THINK IT’S SIGNIFICANT AND WE NEED TO 20 UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT IS NOW, NOT WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE PROJECT IS 21 UNDER WAY AND WE’RE DOING THAT SORT OF RESEARCH. SO I WOULD LIKE 22 TO SEE THOSE KINDS OF MITIGATIONS PUT IN. 23 THERE WAS A MITIGATION THAT I THINK YOU -- WE COULD 24 MAYBE SORT REPLICATE. MITIGATION MEASURE CR11, WHICH HAS TO DO 25 09316 McDaniel Court Reporters (805) 544-3363 10 WITH THE HISTORIC BUILDING. AND THERE WAS – THE MITIGATION WAS TO 1 PREPARE SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THE HISTORIC SITE, BUILD A FROOM 2 DAIRY. AND IT GOES INTO SOME DETAIL ABOUT WHAT THAT IS. 3 BUT I THINK WE NEED TO AT LEAST DO THAT, IF NOT MORE, AND 4 INCORPORATE MITIGATIONS IN THERE TO TELL THE STORY OF THE CHUMASH 5 THERE. AND I THINK THAT WOULD ALSO SATISFY, IN THE TRIBAL 6 CONSULTATION, WHERE THEY WERE -- THEY SAID AVOID THOSE AREAS. AND 7 WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THOSE AREAS ARE. AND I DON’T THINK WE 8 WAIT -- WAITING TO DO THAT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. 9 THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. 10 CHAIR WULKAN: THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE ON CULTURAL? 11 THEN WE’LL GO ONTO GEOLOGY AND SOILS. ANY COMMENTS 12 ON GEOLOGY AND SOILS? COMMISSIONER MCKENZIE. 13 COMMISSIONER MCKENZIE: THANK YOU. YES, THE – THERE – THERE 14 -- WAS THE – THE EIR DID A GREAT JOB. I JUST WANTED -- I GUESS I’LL SAY 15 NOW, I THINK THE EIR OVERALL DID GREAT JOB, REALLY COVERED A LOT OF 16 STUFF VERY -- VERY WELL. SO I JUST WANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT. 17 ON GEOLOGY, YOU KNOW, YOU ALSO DISCUSSED ABOUT THE 18 ACTIVE FAULTING AND IDENTIFIED 25- AND 50-FOOT SETBACKS. HOWEVER, I 19 DIDN’T SEE ANY REFERENCE TO EXISTING CITY REGULATIONS OR ANY 20 MITIGATION TO REFLECT THAT -- INCLUDING THAT AS A MITIGATION OR MAY 21 -- OR MAYBE IT’S IN THE PRODUCT DESCRIPTION, SPECIFICALLY, THAT SAYS 22 NO BUILDINGS WILL BE WITHIN 25 OR 50 FEET OF THE FAULT LINE. BUT I 23 THINK, ONE OR THE OTHER, IT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO BE CLEAR THAT AS THE 24 DEVELOPMENT MOVES FORWARD, THAT -- THAT FAULT LINE IS RESPECTED. 25 09317 McDaniel Court Reporters (805) 544-3363 11 THANK YOU. 1 CHAIR WULKAN: OKAY. HAZARDS, HAZARDOUS MATERIALS AND 2 WILDFIRE. 3 COMMISSIONER JORGENSEN. 4 COMMISSIONER JORGENSON: YEAH. I HAD A -- JUST A QUESTION 5 ABOUT WHETHER THE EIR’S THE PLACE TO TALK ABOUT THINGS LIKE, SAY, 6 CEMENT ROOFS OR THINGS IN THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES THAT WOULD 7 HELP PROTECT THEM IF THERE WERE A WILDFIRE SITUATION. 8 AND FOR THAT MATTER NOW, ESPECIALLY THAT THE BUILDINGS 9 ARE GOING TO BE FOUR STORIES HIGH AND I’M THINKING OF THE ELEVATORS 10 THAT ARE NEEDED, AND I -- I SEE HOW OFTEN IN A FIRE SITUATION, POWER IS 11 OFF. AND IT SEEMS LIKE WE’RE ALMOST -- PART OF A WILDFIRE PLAN MAY 12 WELL BE BACK-UP ELECTRICAL POWER. 13 IT SOUNDS LIKE A HECK OF A PROBLEM TO TRY WORK OUT AN 14 EVACUATION PLAN IF YOU DON’T HAVE ELEVATORS WORKING IN A FOUR 15 STORY BUILDING WITH NO VERY MOBILE PEOPLE. BUT THERE MAY BE 16 OTHER WAYS TO ADDRESS THIS, BUT IT JUST CERTAINLY -- WELL, WE’RE 17 SEEING AROUND THE STATE CERTAINLY MADE ME NERVOUS. THANK YOU. 18 CHAIR WULKAN: COMMISSIONER MCKENZIE. 19 COMMISSIONER MCKENZIE: YEAH, I GUESS I’M A STRONG ADVOCATE 20 OF HAVING MORE THAN ONE WAY IN AND OUT, ESPECIALLY WHEN THIS 21 WOULD BE SERVING SUCH A LARGE POPULATION OF PEOPLE. IT SEEMS LIKE 22 THE ONE MAIN ACCESS -- THERE ARE A COUPLE EMERGENCY ROADS IN BOTH 23 ALTERNATIVE ONE AND THE ORIGINALLY PROPOSED PROJECT. 24 BUT IT -- I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF ANY EFFORTS THAT MIGHT 25 09318 McDaniel Court Reporters (805) 544-3363 12 INCLUDE A FULL ROAD TO CALLE JOAQUIN TO TRY TO REDUCE THOSE FIRE 1 RISKS. 2 CHAIR WULKAN: OKAY. LET’S SEE. COMMISSIONER KAHN. 3 COMMISSIONER KAHN: ARE WE ON HYDROLOGY -- HAZARDS? OR 4 WHICH ONE ARE WE ON? I’M SORRY. 5 CHAIR WULKAN: HAZARDS, HAZARDOUS MATERIALS, AND WILDFIRE. 6 COMMISSIONER KAHN: OKAY. I HAVE COMMENTS ON 7 TRANSPORTATION AND TRAFFIC, SO I’LL WAIT ‘TIL THEN. 8 CHAIR WULKAN: OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THEN THE NEXT TOPIC IS 9 HYDROLOGY AND WATER QUALITY. YES, COMMISSIONER JORGENSEN. 10 COMMISSIONER JORGENSON: WELL, THERE WERE CERTAINLY A 11 NUMBER OF ISSUES RAISED IN NEIL HAVLIK’S LETTER THAT I ASSUME WILL 12 BE PART OF THE RECORD AND WILL BE ADDRESSED, BUT I WOULD WANT TO 13 EMPHASIZE WE NEED TO SEE THESE THINGS ADDRESSED. 14 CHAIR WULKAN: OKAY. I PRESUME THEY WILL BE -- 15 COMMISSIONER JORGENSON: YEAH. 16 CHAIR WULKAN: -- SINCE – LAND USE. 17 COMMISSIONER STEVENSON: YES, I HAVE – 18 CHAIR WULKAN: COMMISSIONER STEVENSON. 19 COMMISSIONER STEVENSON: -- JUST A THOUGHT. I’VE BEEN 20 THINKING ABOUT THIS QUITE A BIT, WONDERING IF THE FROOM RANCH SIDE 21 OF THE PROJECT THAT’S PROPOSING 174 MULTI-FAMILY UNITS IF THAT 22 COULD BE CONSIDERED FOR SENIOR HOUSING AS WELL, SORT OF AGE-23 RESTRICTED SENIOR HOUSING? 24 I COULD SEE REDUCTION SIGNIFICANT REDUCTIONS IN TRAFFIC 25 09319 McDaniel Court Reporters (805) 544-3363 13 IMPACTS, IMPACTS TO SCHOOLS. IT WOULD RESOLVE A LOT OF IMPACTS, AS 1 WELL AS LOCATE MUCH MORE NEEDED SENIOR HOUSING AND IT COULD IT 2 COULD BE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM THE VILLAGGIO, BUT STILL OFFER 3 SOME RESTRICTED AGE FOR THAT. THERE’S -- YOU KNOW, I THINK IT WOULD 4 MAKE A LOT OF SENSE. 5 --SO JUST AN IDEA A SUGGESTION TO REDUCE IMPACTS AND 6 PROVIDE A REALLY GREAT RESOURCE FOR SENIOR HOUSING. 7 CHAIR WULKAN: SO ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT THAT COULD BE 8 ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE LOOKED AT IN THE EIR, MAYBE A SUB-9 ALTERNATIVE OF ONE OF THE ALTERNATIVES. 10 COMMISSIONER STEVENSON: JUST A SUB-ALTERNATIVE. IF I THINK 11 IT COULD, IF THAT MEETS THE OBJECTIVES – PROJECT OBJECTIVES, I MAY 12 STILL -- I THINK IT’S STILL A VIABLE OPTION THAT WOULD MEET THE 13 OBJECTIVE. IT’S JUST A DIFFERENT STYLE, TYPE -- 14 CHAIR WULKAN: MIX. 15 COMMISSIONER STEVENSON: -- MIX, BUT STILL WOULD BE AWESOME, 16 I THINK. 17 CHAIR WULKAN: COMMISSIONER MCKENZIE. 18 COMMISSIONER MCKENZIE: JUST THIS IS ON FLOOD HAZARDS – OH, 19 LAND USE. 20 CHAIR WULKAN: WE ALREADY DID HYDROLOGY. 21 COMMISSIONER MCKENZIE: I KNOW, AND I APOLOGIZE. I’M SORRY. 22 CAN I JUST BACK UP? 23 CHAIR WULKAN: YES, GO AHEAD. 24 COMMISSIONER MCKENZIE: ‘CAUSE I JUST KEPT UNDER FLOOD 25 09320 McDaniel Court Reporters (805) 544-3363 14 HAZARD AND DIDN’T PUT IT ON HYDROLOGY. MY BAD. 1 I JUST -- THERE’S A FAIR AMOUNT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE 2 AMOUNT OF PROPOSED FILL TO – TO GET ABOVE THE FLOOD, THE HUNDRED-3 YEAR FLOOD. AND I GUESS MY QUESTION, I DIDN’T LOOK DEEP INTO THE EIR 4 POSSIBLY ABOUT STUDIES AND IF THERE WAS A FLOOD WAY STUDY DONE 5 JUST BECAUSE OF THE DISPLACEMENT OF THAT FLOOD ZONE, AND ITS 6 IMPACTS DOWNSTREAM, MAKING SURE THAT THAT’S ADEQUATELY TAKEN 7 CARE OF. THANK YOU. 8 CHAIR WULKAN: OKAY. WE’RE ON LAND USE NOW. ACTUALLY, WE 9 ARE ALREADY COVERED LAND USE. NO MORE ON LAND USE. 10 THEN NOISE. ANY COMMENTS ON NOISE? WELL, I HAD A 11 COMMENT ON NOISE. 12 THERE’S A MITIGATION MEASURE. IT’S MM OR MITIGATION 13 MEASURE NO-4, WHICH CALLS FOR A NOISE – EXCUSE ME, A NOISE STUDY 14 AND MITIGATION FOR NOISE EXPOSURE FROM THE ADJACENT COMMERCIAL 15 USES, WHICH SHOULD BE DONE AT A FUTURE TIME. SO MY COMMENT IS 16 THAT I DON’T SEE ANY REASON WHY THAT NOISE STUDY COULDN’T BE DONE 17 AT THIS TIME AS PART OF THE EIR, AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE DONE NOW 18 AND NOT DEFERRED, JUST IN THE INTEREST OF FULL DISCLOSURE. SO THAT 19 WOULD BE MY COMMENT ON NOISE. 20 NEXT IS POPULATION AND HOUSING. OKAY. NO COMMENTS ON 21 POPULATION AND HOUSING. 22 PUBLIC SERVICES AND RECREATION? YES, COMMISSIONER 23 MCKENZIE. 24 COMMISSIONER MCKENZIE: YEAH, ON PUBLIC SERVICES. JUST THE 25 09321 McDaniel Court Reporters (805) 544-3363 15 EIR MENTIONS THE NEED FOR ONE OR ONE PLUS NEW FIRE PERSON AND A – 1 AND A POLICE -- ONE NEW PERSONNEL ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. WITH 2 FUNDING AS A SOFT IMPACT, NOT A HARD IMPACT -- OR A SOFT COST VERSUS 3 A HARD COST, AND -- IT’S -- WITH THE FUNDING BEING GENERATED THROUGH 4 A SEPARATE PROCESS THAT IS NOT WITHIN YOUR CONTROL. IS -- IS SHOULD 5 THIS BE LOOKED AT AS A POSSIBLE CLASS ONE IMPACT OR -- OR SHOULD IT 6 BE DISCUSSED A LITTLE BIT -- AM I JUST -- THAT’S JUST A CONCERN. JUST TO 7 MAYBE TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT MORE, AND I THINK IT WAS BRIEFLY 8 MENTIONED, BUT I THINK A LITTLE MORE DISCUSSION WOULD BE 9 APPROPRIATE ON THAT. 10 ON RECREATION, I ALSO HAD A COMMENT. AGAIN, I THINK 11 THERE SHOULD BE A TRAILS MAP THERE OR A REFERENCE TO THE ONE 12 THAT’S IN THE CIRCULATION SECTION, SO I CAN KNOW WHICH TRAILS ARE 13 CLOSEST TO THE DEVELOPMENT. 14 ON -- ON PARKS, YOU KNOW, THERE’S MENTION OF THE TEN 15 ACRES FOR EVERY THOUSAND NEW RESIDENTS WITH A 2.9-ACRE PARK 16 PROPOSED. THERE’S 73 SENIOR -- SENIORS, THEY’LL BE INDEPENDENT. 17 AND I’M KIND OF GOING TO THE -- DEALING WITH PARKS, YOU 18 KNOW, IN THE CONTEXT OF -- AND DOGS. IT’S, YOU KNOW -- THE SENIORS 19 THAT ARE INDEPENDENT, A LOT OF SENIORS DO HAVE DOGS USING SURVEYS 20 THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT TALK ABOUT GENERAL POPULATION. A THIRD 21 OF HOUSEHOLDS HAVE DOGS, WITH 1.6 DOGS, SO YOU’RE ADDING BETWEEN 22 THREE AND FOUR HUNDRED NEW DOGS FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT. 23 WE HAVE NO DOG PARKS, AND SO I JUST GOT TO THINKING 24 ABOUT, WELL, YOU KNOW, COULD WE – SO -- AND MAYBE TOO SPECIFIC FOR 25 09322 McDaniel Court Reporters (805) 544-3363 16 THE EIR,. BUT THIS COULD BE A TIME FOR LOOKING AT THAT. 1 AND I’M THINKING OF ALSO POSSIBLY -- WITH THE POSSIBLE USE 2 OF THE MOUNTAINBROOK DETENTION BASIN. YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY IN ITS 3 DESIGN THAT IT BE A PART-TIME DOG AREA, YOU KNOW, ONE-ACRE IN SIZE 4 OF THAT OVERALL SIX-ACRE RETENTION BASIN, POSSIBLY TO ALLOW FOR 5 DOGS THAT WOULD BE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY OF THE VILLAGGIO AREA, AS 6 WELL AS THE OTHER RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT. 7 SO I -- I ONLY AM SUGGESTING THAT THAT KIND OF USE -- SINCE 8 THAT IS A PLACE, YOU KNOW, RETENTION BASINS ARE A COMMON PLACE 9 FOR A DOG PARK USE. SO THAT WOULD CONCLUDE MY COMMENTS THERE. 10 THANK YOU. 11 CHAIR WULKAN: THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON PUBLIC 12 SERVICES AND RECREATION? 13 I HAD ONE COMMENT ON THAT HAVING TO DO WITH PARKLAND, 14 THE PARKLAND REQUIREMENT FOR THE SENIOR HOUSING COMPONENT. IN 15 READING THE EIR, IT WAS IT SEEMED LIKE IT WAS TRYING TO MAKE A CASE 16 FOR WHY THE VILLAGGIO SENIOR PROJECT SHOULD NOT BE RESPONSIBLE 17 FOR THE FULL 7.32 ACRES OF PARKLAND, BASED ON THE STANDARD RATIO. 18 BUT THEN IT WENT AHEAD AND RECOMMENDED THAT STANDARD RATIO 19 ANYWAY, THE REASON BEING THAT THE VILLAGGIO IS GOING TO INCLUDE A 20 NUMBER OF RECREATIONAL FACILITIES FOR -- FOR THE -- FOR THE SENIORS. 21 SO I GUESS MY COMMENT WOULD BE MAYBE THE EIR SHOULD 22 EXPLAIN THE RATIONALE FOR WHY -- WHY THEY SHOULD BE RESPON -- WHY 23 THAT PART OF THE PROJECT SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FULL 7.32 24 ACRES OF PARKLAND, AND SHOULD THEY NOT GET SOME CREDIT FOR SOME 25 09323 McDaniel Court Reporters (805) 544-3363 17 OF THE -- FOR THE FACILITIES THAT ARE BEING PROVIDED ONSITE. 1 OAKY. POPULATION AND HOUSING. WE ALREADY DID THAT. 2 THEN TRANSPORTATION. YEAH, COMMISSIONER KAHN. 3 COMMISSIONER KAHN: THANK YOU. I HAVE FOUR OR FIVE 4 COMMENTS. FIRST OF ALL, I AGREE WITH LISA SCHOTT; THE LOS VERDES 5 PARK ACCESS IS DIFFICULT AT THIS TIME AND IT’S GONNA GET WORSE WITH 6 THE INCREASED TRIPS COMING FROM THIS PROJECT. 7 SO CERTAINLY, WE NEED TO GET THE MITIGATION MEASURES 8 BUILT AND WE NEED TO GET OTHER LONG TERM MITIGATION MEASURES 9 BUILT THAT ARE NOT NECESSARY PART OF THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THIS 10 PROJECT. BUT IT’S CERTAINLY A NEEDED FOR THE CIRCULATION ON LOS 11 OSOS VALLEY ROAD. 12 AS WE ALL KNOW, LOS OSOS VALLEY ROAD IS GETTING VERY -- 13 VERY CROWDED IN PEAK HOUR FLOWS AND ON WEEKENDS. IT’S VERY -- 14 VERY BUSY. 15 SOME OF THE MITIGATION MEASURES IN THE PROJECT -- PRADO 16 ROAD, RESTRICTING – PRADO ROAD INTERCHANGE NEEDS TO BE BUILT. 17 VACHEL HIGUERA, RESTRICTING LEFTS IN AND OUT THAT 18 LOCATION. I AGREE WITH THAT MITIGATION MEASURE. THAT’S A VERY -- 19 VERY DIFFICULT TURN TO MAKE AND IT’S DANGEROUS. 20 THE PROBLEM IS YOU’RE GOING TO RESTRICT – RESTRICT TRIPS 21 OFF OF BUCKLEY ROAD AND VACHEL, AND SO THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE AND 22 WORK OFF OF BUCKLEY, IT’S GONNA BE A LITTLE TOUGHER FOR THEM TO 23 CIRCULATE. 24 PLUS ALSO, PEOPLE USE VACHEL BUCKLEY AS A SHORT CUT TO 25 09324 McDaniel Court Reporters (805) 544-3363 18 GET UP TO HIGHWAY 227 TO GO SOUTH TO PRICE CANYON ROAD AND GO OUT 1 TO US 101. SO IT’S GONNA EXACERBATE THE TRAFFIC A LITTLE BIT IN MY 2 OPINION ON HIGHWAY 227. 3 THERE’S A COMMENT IN THE MITIGATION MEASURES FOR 4 TRAFFIC CALMING INSIDE THE PROJECT. I AGREE WITH THAT. I DO NOT 5 AGREE WITH THE SPEED BUMPS OR SPEED HUMPS. THEY’RE BAD ON 6 EMERGENCY VEHICLES. THEY REDUCE THE RESPONSE TIME OF EMERGENCY 7 VEHICLES AND THEY’RE BAD ON FIRE TRUCK SPRINGS AND SHOCKS, SO I DO 8 NOT LIKE THOSE. 9 AND SO IN SUMMARY, I LIKE THE MITIGATION MEASURES AND I 10 ENCOURAGE THE CITY AND THE DEVELOPERS TO WORK TOGETHER TO GET 11 THE LONG TERM MITIGATION MEASURES, SUCH AS THE EXTENSION OF 12 BUCKLEY ROAD OUT TO HIGUERA AND THE PRADO ROAD INTERCHANGE, 13 BUILT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. THANK YOU. 14 CHAIR WULKAN: OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER JORGENSEN. 15 COMMISSIONER JORGENSON: YEAH, READING THROUGH AS BEST I 16 COULD THE TRANSPORTATION TABLES, IT LOOKS LIKE MOST OF THE 17 ANALYSIS WAS DONE – WELL, A LOT WAS DONE IN FEBRUARY OR MARCH OF 18 2016 AND THEN THE FREEWAY ANALYSIS IN 2017. 19 AND OBVIOUSLY, IT’S NOT IMPOSSIBLE TO EXTRAPOLATE AND 20 BUILD WHAT THE DEMAND WOULD BE NOW, BUT I’M WORRIED ABOUT THE 21 ASSUMPTIONS WE’RE -- USED IN EXTRAPOLATIONS IF THEY TURN OUT TO BE 22 THE SAME ONES THAT WERE USED THAT WERE TO -- AS IN PLANNING FOR THE 23 -- THE OVERPASS, THE -- THE OVERPASS OVER THE FREEWAY THAT WAS 24 DONE A COUPLE YEARS AGO AND IMMEDIATELY WAS JUST FILLED TO THE 25 09325 McDaniel Court Reporters (805) 544-3363 19 BRIM. AND IT’S NOT JUST PEAK HOUR, IT’S -- IT’S GETTING WORSE AND 1 WORSE, BY THE DAY IT SEEMS LIKE. 2 AND I CAN IMAGINE THAT A MITIGATION, FOR INSTANCE, 3 METERING LIGHTS ON THE -- THE SOUTH RAMP ONTO 101, WILL ALSO 4 ENCOURAGE GREATER BACK-UP, AND SO I’M JUST NERVOUS ABOUT THE 5 OVERALL SOUNDNESS OF THE PROJECTIONS BACK THAT FAR GIVEN WHAT 6 WE’VE ACTUALLY SEEN ON THE GROUND. SO I’M JUST A NERVOUS NELLY 7 ABOUT THAT THE PROBLEM WILL BE WORSE. 8 IT ISN’T THE PROJECT ITSELF. THE PROJECT ITSELF IS NOT THE 9 BIGGEST CONTRIBUTOR AT ALL TO THIS -- AND IT GETS A LITTLE CONFUSED 10 BECAUSE THEY CAN’T ASSUME THE PRADO EXTENSION, BUT I GUESS WHAT’S 11 ON MY MIND IS WHETHER CAL TRANS IS REALLY DOING ENOUGH AND 12 THERE’S ENOUGH WORK. 13 WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE WHOLE MAP, AND YOU LOOK AT BOTH 14 SIDES, THE KIND OF INTERSECTIONS YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT ON BOTH SIDES 15 OF THE FREEWAY, AND WE SEE THAT THE FREEWAYS IN THIS EIR IS LEVEL D 16 THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE AREA. I THINK THAT MAY BE OPTIMISTIC THAT 17 IT’S ONLY A LEVEL D. 18 AND I CAN JUST IMAGINE WE’RE TRYING TO MOVE THROUGH 19 TOWN AND IN BOTH DIRECTIONS AND WE’RE JUST STUCK, ABSOLUTELY 20 STOPPED IN THIS AREA ON A REGULAR BASIS ON THE FREEWAY. AND IT -- 21 IT’S PROBABLY BEYOND THE BOUNDS. IT’S CERTAINLY NOT RELATED TO 22 THIS PROJECT DIRECTLY, BUT I THINK WE’RE -- YES, I THINK WE’RE GONNA 23 HAVE TO LIVE WITH MORE TRAFFIC IN THIS AREA. THERE’S NO QUESTION. 24 I THINK THE PROJECT GOALS ARE WORTH IT. I’M NOT OBJECTING 25 09326 McDaniel Court Reporters (805) 544-3363 20 TO MOVING AHEAD, BUT I SURE CONCERNED ABOUT THE PAST PROJECTIONS. 1 AND THESE MAKE ME NERVOUS THAT THEY’RE A COUPLE YEARS OLD 2 ALREADY. THANK YOU. 3 CHAIR WULKAN: COMMISSIONER STEVENSON. 4 COMMISSIONER STEVENSON: SO YEAH, I WOULD JUST AGREE WITH 5 COMMISSIONER JORGENSEN ON THOSE POINTS. IT’S A PROBLEM I THINK. THE 6 DATA TRAFFIC INFORMATION CONCERNS ME. 7 I ALSO -- BASED ON TESTIMONY FROM DR. CHIPPING AND NEIL 8 HAVLIK ON THE EXHIBIT WE SEE UP THERE FOR THE PROPOSED DRAINAGE 9 BASIN, I READ A LETTER EARLY AND I DIDN’T BRING IT WITH ME FROM CAL 10 TRANS, THAT SAID THAT THEY’RE NOT IN A POSITION TO HANDLE ANY 11 WATER. I MEAN, IT’S BASICALLY, WE NEED TO FIX IT AND THEY CAN’T. 12 SO LOOKING AT THAT AND IF THEY -- IF IT’S NOT PROPERLY 13 CALCULATED, THERE COULD BE A POTENTIAL FOR FLOODING ONTO THE 14 HIGHWAY AND THAT’S NOT GONNA WORK AT ALL. SO JUST CONCERNED. 15 CHAIR WULKAN: OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR 16 QUESTIONS? 17 I HAD A QUESTION ON TRANSPORTATION. IT HAS TO DO WITH A 18 NUMBER OF THE OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE IN THE MITIGATION 19 MEASURES, AND THERE’S -- THERE’S A WHOLE LIST OF OFFSITE TRAFFIC 20 IMPROVEMENTS, FROM CONSTRUCTING TURN POCKETS AT THE 101 RAMPS TO 21 THE TURN RESTRICTIONS AT THE VACHEL LANE, AND IMPROVEMENTS AT 22 VARIOUS OTHER PLACES LIKE TANK FARM AND SUBURBAN ROAD AND ALL 23 THE WAY UP TO – UP LOS OSOS VALLEY ROAD TO DALIDIO. 24 AND -- AND MY QUESTIONS IS THAT THE WORDING ON THOSE 25 09327 McDaniel Court Reporters (805) 544-3363 21 MITIGATION MEASURES ISN’T ALWAYS CONSISTENT, SO IS -- IS THE 1 APPLICANT -- FOR ALL -- FOR ALL OF THESE OFFSITE MITIGATION MEASURES, 2 IS THE APPLICANT RESPONSIBLE ONLY FOR THE FAIR SHARE CONTRIBUTION? 3 THE WORDING WAS NOT CLEAR TO ME, AND IF -- IF THAT’S THE CASE, I THINK 4 THE WORDING OF SOME OF THE MITIGATION MEASURES SHOULD BE REVISED 5 TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT IF -- IF THE APPLICANT INSTALLS SOME OF THESE 6 IMPROVEMENTS BEFORE OTHERS DO, THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD ONLY BE 7 PAYING A FAIR SHARE AND NOT THE ENTIRE COST OF ALL OF THESE 8 MITIGATION MEASURES. SO THAT’S MY QUESTION AND COMMENT. IF STAFF 9 WOULD CARE TO ADDRESS THAT, WE’D APPRECIATE IT. 10 MR. SCHWARTZ: THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. LUKE SCHWARTZ, 11 TRANSPORTATION MANAGER. 12 THE TIMING WITH RESPECT TO THIS PROJECT AND OTHER 13 LARGER DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED 14 MAKES THE MITIGATION STRATEGIES A LITTLE CONFUSING IN THAT THERE’S 15 SEVERAL OF THESE IMPACTS THAT ARE ALREADY REQUIRED TO BE 16 MITIGATED BY OTHER PROJECTS, LIKE SAN LUIS RANCH AND AVILA RANCH, 17 WHERE WE HAVE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE IN PROGRESS. THE DESIGNS ARE 18 DONE IN SOME CASES, BUT THEY HAVEN’T BEEN IMPLEMENTED YET. 19 AND SO WITH RESPECT TO HOW WE ADDRESS THOSE MITIGATION 20 MEASURES, THE TIMING REALLY IS PRETTY IMPORTANT. SO THE WAY 21 THEY’RE DISCUSSED IS BASICALLY THAT IF AND – AND IN ALL LIKELIHOOD, 22 MANY OF THESE WILL BE IN PLACE BY THE TIME THIS PROJECT’S IMPROVED 23 AND LOOKING TO BUILD. 24 IN THE CASE THAT THEY’RE NOT, FOR OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES 25 09328 McDaniel Court Reporters (805) 544-3363 22 OUTSIDE OF THE CONTROL, THEY MAY BE REQUIRED TO BUILD SOME OF 1 THEM THEMSELVES, BUT IN ANY CASE, THEY’D BE RESPONSIBLE FOR A FAIR 2 SHARE, WHETHER THAT’S PAYMENT OF FEES OR A FAIR SHARE OF THOSE 3 COSTS IF THEY’VE ALREADY BEEN BUILT BY OTHERS. 4 OR IN THE CASE THAT THEY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR 5 BUILDING THE IMPROVEMENTS THEMSELVES, THEY’D BE ELIGIBLE FOR SOME 6 FORM OF REIMBURSEMENT FOR THE COST THAT EXCEEDS THEIR FAIR SHARE. 7 AND THE TRAFFIC STUDY IN THE APPENDIX IDENTIFIES THAT 8 SPECIFIC FAIR SHARE PERCENTAGE FOR EACH OF THOSE PROJECTS. 9 CHAIR WULKAN: OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THEN MY 10 COMMENT WOULD BE THAT THE MITIGATION MEASURES SHOULD BE 11 WORDED CONSISTENTLY TO REFLECT THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. 12 THE NEXT IMPACT AREA IS UTILITIES AND ENERGY 13 CONSERVATION. NO COMMENTS ON THAT. 14 MINERAL RESOURCES. 15 AND THEN FINALLY ALTERNATIVES, EIR ALTERNATIVES, WHICH 16 WE TOUCHED ON ALREADY. NO. 17 IS THERE ARE THERE ANY OTHER EIR TOPICS THAT WE DIDN’T 18 ADDRESS THAT COMMISSIONERS WOULD LIKE TO? 19 COMMISSIONER MCKENZIE: I JUST HAVE A GENERAL COMMENT 20 ABOUT JUST ON THE MITIGATION SINCE A LOT OF THE -- THE NUMBERS ARE 21 REFERENCED IN A PARTICULAR SECTION WITHOUT ANY ADDITIONAL 22 INFORMATION, IF THERE WAS ANY WAY TO ADD A KEYWORD AT THE 23 BEGINNING OF EACH MITIGATION OR A PHRASE THAT TELLS THE STORY OF 24 WHAT THE MITIGATION’S ABOUT AND THEN INCLUDE THOSE WITH ALL THE 25 09329 McDaniel Court Reporters (805) 544-3363 23 OTHER MITIGATION MEASURES THAT ARE REFERENCED IN OTHER SECTIONS 1 WOULD BE A GREAT ADDITION FOR THE READER. THANK YOU. 2 CHAIR WULKAN: OKAY. THANK YOU. I THINK THAT CONCLUDES THE 3 COMMISSIONER COMMENTS. DOES STAFF HAVE ALL OF OUR COMMENTS AND 4 ENOUGH INFORMATION TO GO WITH? OKAY. YES. 5 MS. SCOTT: I WAS JUST GOING TO CLARIFY AGAIN YES, AND THANK 6 YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR YOUR REALLY GOOD AND THOUGHTFUL 7 COMMENTS. 8 CHAIR WULKAN: OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO WE’LL BE 9 LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING THE FINAL EIR AT SOME FUTURE TIME. IS 10 THERE ANY TIME ESTIMATE OF WHEN WE MIGHT SEE THAT? 11 MS. CREEL: THE CURRENT ESTIMATE IS MAYNE MARCH. MAYBE AS 12 EARLY AS FEBRUARY. 13 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: WOW. 14 CHAIR WULKAN: OKAY. THANK YOU. SO THERE’S NO COMMISSION 15 ACTION ON THIS ITEM. WE WERE JUST TAKING COMMENTS. SO -- 16 MS. CREEL: SORRY, CHAIR. 17 CHAIR WULKAN: YES. 18 MS. CREEL: LET ME CLARIFY. I MISSPOKE. WE INTEND TO HAVE A 19 FINAL EIR PREPARED AS EARLY AS FEBRUARY OR MARCH. IT WOULD THEN 20 GO TO ADVISORY BODIES, SO MAYBE BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION AND 21 THEN CITY COUNCIL LATER SPRING, EARLY SUMMER. 22 CHAIR WULKAN: OKAY. GREAT. 23 MS. CREEL: (INAUDIBLE.) 24 CHAIR WULKAN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. SO THAT 25 09330 McDaniel Court Reporters (805) 544-3363 24 CONCLUDES OUR CONSIDERATION OF THIS ITEM. THANK YOU, EVERYBODY, 1 FOR COMING. AND FOR YOUR COMMENTS. 2 I’LL JUST PAUSE FOR A MOMENT WHILE A LOT OF PEOPLE EXIT. 3 (END OF RECORDED MATERIAL.) 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 09331 09332