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HomeMy WebLinkAboutBates 09333-09343 July 5 2017 SLO CC 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 SAN LUIS OBISPO CITY COUNCIL MEETING 9 JULY 5, 2017 10 MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT CALENDAR ITEM 7 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 ADAMSKI, MOROSKI, MADDEN, CUMBERLAND & GREEN 20 6633 BAY LAUREL PLACE 21 AVILA BEACH CA 93424 22 PHONE (805) 543-0990 23 FAX (805) 543-0980 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 DATE OF TRANSCRIPT: JANUARY 6 2021 41 TRANSCRIBER: MEGAN BOCHUM 42 MCDANIEL REPORTING 43 1302 OSOS STREET 44 SAN LUIS OBISPO CA 93401 45 PHONE (805) 544-3363 46 FAX (805) 544-7427 47 48 49 09333 McDaniel Court Reporters (805) 544-3363 2 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 APPEARANCES 10 11 12 13 14 15 MS. HEIDI HARMON, MAYOR 16 CITY OF SAN LUIS OBISPO 17 18 MS. CARLYN CHRISTIANSON, COUNCILMEMBER 19 CITY OF SAN LUIS OBISPO 20 21 MS. ANDY PEASE, COUNCILMEMBER 22 CITY OF SAN LUIS OBISPO 23 24 MR. AARON GOMEZ, COUNCILMEMBER 25 CITY OF SAN LUIS OBISPO 26 27 MR. DAN RIVOIRE, VICE MAYOR 28 CITY OF SAN LUIS OBISPO 29 30 MS. KATIE LICHTIG, CITY MANAGER 31 CITY OF SAN LUIS OBISPO 32 33 MS. CARRIE GALLAGHER, CITY CLERK 34 CITY OF SAN LUIS OBISPO 35 36 MR. MICHAEL CODRON, COMMUNITY DEVELOPER DIRECTOR 37 CITY OF SAN LUIS OBISPO 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 09334 McDaniel Court Reporters (805) 544-3363 3 MAYOR HARMON: COUNCILMEMBER CHRISTIANSON? 1 COUNCILMEMBER CHRISTIANSON: YEAH, I WANTED TO PULL ITEM 2 NUMBER SEVEN, THE FROOM RANCH SPECIFIC PLAN REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL, 3 AND IF THERE’S NOTHING ELSE THAT NEEDS TO BE PULLED, I’LL GO AHEAD 4 AND MOVE THE CONSENT AGEN -- AGENDA ON THE REST OF THOSE ITEMS. 5 COUNCILMEMBER GOMEZ: AND I’LL SECOND THAT REMAINING. 6 MAYOR HARMON: OKAY. CITY CLERK. 7 MADAME CLERK: COUNCILMEMBER CHRISTIANSON? 8 COUNCILMEMBER CHRISTIANSON: YES. 9 MADAME CLERK: COUNCILMEMBER GOMEZ? 10 COUNCILMEMBER GOMEZ: YES. 11 MADAME CLERK: COUNCILMEMBER PEASE? 12 COUNCILMEMBER PEASE: YES. 13 MADAME CLERK: VICE-MAYOR RIVOIRE? 14 VICE-MAYOR RIVOIRE: YES. 15 MADAME CLERK: MAYOR HARMON? 16 MAYOR HARMON: YES, AND WITH THAT IT PASSES FIVE-ZERO, 17 OUTSIDE OF ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. 18 COUNCILMEMBER PEASE? 19 COUNCILMEMBER PEASE: SORRY. JUST PRIOR TO DISCUSSING THE 20 ITEM, I AM RECUSING MYSELF FOR THE SAME REASON OF PRIOR CONTRACTS 21 WITH THE ARCHITECT, RRM DESIGN GROUP. 22 MAYOR HARMON: OKAY. 23 COUNCILMEMBER PEASE: DO I NEED TO LEAVE -- 24 COUNCILMEMBER CHRISTIANSON: YEP. 25 09335 McDaniel Court Reporters (805) 544-3363 4 COUNCILMEMBER PEASE: -- FOR THE DISCUSSION ITEM? ALL RIGHT. 1 AND -- 2 MAYOR HARMON: I’M ASSUM -- CITY – CITY MANAGER, THEN, SINCE 3 COUNCILMEMBER PEASE HAS TO RECUSE HERSELF AGAIN, DOES SHE COME 4 BACK IN, OR SHOULD SHE DO THAT ALL -- 5 MS. LICHTIG: I THINK SHE SHOULD COME BACK IN AND THEN 6 ANNOUNCE HER -- 7 COUNCILMEMBER PEASE: RECUSAL ON THE -- 8 MS. LICHTIG: -- RECUSAL ON THE NEXT ITEM – 9 COUNCILMEMBER PEASE: OKAY. 10 MS. LICHTIG: -- JUST SO IT’S ON THE RECORD WITH THE SAME ITEM. 11 COUNCILMEMBER PEASE: I’LL BE BACK. 12 MAYOR HARMON: OKAY. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING. 13 COUNCILMEMBER CHRISTIANSON: HOPEFULLY, WE’LL JUST BE A 14 FEW MINUTES. 15 YES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCILMEMBERS. I’M SORRY. I 16 KNOW WE HAVE A LONG AGENDA, BUT I DID WANT TO PULL THIS AS I’M 17 SOME ONE OF THE FEW FOLKS WHO WAS IN THE COUNCIL LAST YEAR. 18 AND WHILE WE’RE VERY – VERY EARLY IN THE PROCESS FOR 19 THIS PROJECT, WE HAVEN’T, YOU KNOW – WE HAVEN’T EVEN GOT OUR RFP 20 FOR OUR EIR, MUCH LESS THE EIR AND ALL THE PUBLIC INPUT AND 21 ADVISORY BODY REVIEW. AND – AND WE KNOW THAT PROJECTS OFTEN 22 CHANGE, AND SO THIS PROJECT MIGHT CHANGE A BIT THROUGH ALL THAT 23 ALSO. 24 BUT -- AND SPECIFIC PLANS ARE BY NATURE VERY BIG PICTURE 25 09336 McDaniel Court Reporters (805) 544-3363 5 MOST OF THE TIME, AND THIS COUNCIL MAY WANT TO HAVE AN EIR TAKE 1 THE BIGGEST PICTURE POSSIBLE AS THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED, AND 2 REALLY EVAL -- EVALUATE ALL THE OPTIONS FOR THE DIRECTIONS THIS 3 PROJECT CAN GO. 4 BUT AS IT WAS MENTIONED BY OUR – OUR PUBLIC COMMENT 5 PERSON, THERE’S AT LEAST ONE ELEMENT OF IT, THE 150-FOOT HEIGHT LIMIT 6 THAT WILL REQUIRE A GENERAL AMENDMENT -- A – AN AMENDMENT TO OUR 7 GENERAL PLAN ‘CAUSE THAT’S PART OF OUR LAND USE ELEMENT. 8 AND I WANTED TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT THIS COUNCIL – IN -- 9 AT LEAST IN THEORY, IS WILLING TO CONSIDER THE 150-FOOT – CONSIDER 10 EXCEEDING THE 150-FOOT HEIGHT LIMIT, BECAUSE I WAS ONE OF THE FOLKS 11 WHO EXPRESSED CONCERNS ABOUT THAT DURING THE CONCEPTUAL REVIEW 12 THAT THE COUNCIL DID EARLIER. I STILL HAVE THOSE CONCERNS. I AM 13 PROBABLY NOT WILLING TO EVEN CONSIDER 150 – BUILDING OVER 150 FEET, 14 SO I DIDN’T WANT THE APPLICANT TO WASTE TIME AND MONEY HAVING 15 THAT EVALUATED. 16 IT OCCURRED TO ME THAT THERE MAY BE A MAJORITY OF 17 COUNCIL WHO IS FEELING THE SAME WAY I DID, SO I WANTED OT BRING IT 18 UP. I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND IF THE REST OF THE COUNCIL IS WANTING TO 19 – TO HAVE A FULL EIR, BUT I THOUGHT I WOULD BRING THAT OPTION UP OF 20 CONFINING THE DIRECTION FOR THIS RFP TO NOT INCLUDE EVALUATION OF 21 THE PARTS OF THE PROJECT THAT GO OVER 150-FOOT – OUR 150-FOOT LIMIT. 22 SO THAT WAS THE QUESTION, AND THAT’S WHY I PULLED IT. OR 23 WE COULD DIRECT THAT STAFF COME BACK WITH SOMETHING ALONG THIS 24 LATER, NOT NECESSARILY – I DON’T KNOW IF STAFF HAS SOMETHING TO 25 09337 McDaniel Court Reporters (805) 544-3363 6 TALK ABOUT OPTIONS, BUT AS -- 1 MAYOR HARMON: CAN WE HAVE A MEMO ON THAT PIECE? 2 COUNCILMEMBER CHRISTIANSON: YEAH, SO IT’S JUST MY -- 3 MS. DIETRICK: COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR CODRON DID 4 SEND OUT AN AGENDA CORRESPONDENCE EARLIER ATTACHING THE 5 RESOLUTION REFLECTING THE PRIOR COUNCIL’S ACTION. SO IF YOU 6 WANTED TO DIRECT THE RESCOPING OF THE RFP PURSUANT TO REMOVAL OF 7 THAT PORTION, I’D PROBABLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU GIVE US DIRECTION 8 TO BRING BOTH OF THOSE PIECES BACK TO YOU AT A FUTURE MEETING. 9 MAYOR HARMON: BOTH OF THOSE PIECES, THE POTENTIAL TO HAVE 10 IT AND THE POTENTIAL TO NOT HAVE IT? 11 MS. DIETRICK: NO -- 12 MAYOR HARMON: OR JUST THE REMOVAL OF IT? 13 MS. DIETRICK: NO, THE – THE POTENTIAL RESCISSION (SIC) OR 14 REPLACEMENT OF THE RESOLUTION THAT DIRECTED THE CONSIDERATION, 15 AS WELL AS THE MODIFICATION TO THE SCOPE OF THE RFP. 16 COUNCILMEMBER CHRISTIANSON: MAYOR HARMON, IF I COULD 17 SUMMARIZE THE DIRECTION FROM THE PRIOR COUNCIL THAT MIGHT HELP 18 THE CITY COUNCIL UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHERE WE ARE TODAY AND 19 WHAT WE’RE ASKING -- WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATION IS CURRENTLY TO GO 20 FORWARD WITH IN TERMS OF AN ANALYSIS. 21 PREVIOUSLY, THIS CITY COUNCIL AUTHORIZED THE GENERAL 22 PLAN AMENDMENT TO ALLOW – TO CONSIDER A PROJECT THAT IMPOSES 23 DEVELOPMENT ABOVE THE 150-FOOT ELEVATION ON THE PROJECT SITE. THE 24 COUNCIL DID SO WITH SOME SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS FOR INFORMATION 25 09338 McDaniel Court Reporters (805) 544-3363 7 THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE APPLICATION AND THAT WOULD BE 1 EVALUATED IN THE EIR, SO THAT UPON RECEIPT OF THAT ANALYSIS AND 2 THOSE DOCUMENTS, THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD BE ABLE -- AND ADVISORY 3 BODY MEMBERS, STAFF WOULD HAVE THE BENEFIT OF FULL 4 UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE ENVIRONMENTAL EFFECTS OF BUILDING 5 ABOVE THE 150-FOOT ELEVATION WOULD BE BEFORE ANY DETERMINATIONS 6 WOULD BE MADE RELATIVE TO WHETHER OR NOT THAT COULD BE 7 APPROVED. 8 WHAT WE HAVE SCOPED IN THE RFP, THAT IS THE REQUEST FOR 9 PROPOSAL THAT’S IN FRONT OF YOU, WOULD CAUSE THE CONSULTANT THAT 10 PREPARING THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT TO WORK WITH STAFF 11 AND WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO DEVELOP CLEAR AND FEASIBLE 12 ALTERNATIVES TO THIS PROJECT. 13 A PROJECT ALTERNATIVE THAT WOULD BE ACTIONABLE IN THE 14 EIR THAT WOULD NOT ALLOW ANY DEVELOPMENT ABOVE THE 150-FOOT 15 ELEVATION IS WHAT WE SCOPED TO DELIVER TO THE PLANNING 16 COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL IN TERMS OF HOW THEY WOULD CONSIDER 17 WHETHER OR NOT TO MAKE THAT GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT. AND THE 18 RESOLUTION THAT I FORWARDED EARLIER TALKS ABOUT THE DIFFERENT 19 PIECES OF INFORMATION THAT WE WOULD NEED TO CONDUCT THAT 20 EVALUATION. 21 SO WE HAVE THAT AND WE’RE READY TO MOVE FORWARD, BUT 22 AS COUNCILMEMBER CHRISTIANSON SAID, IF THERE IS NOT A MAJORITY OF 23 THE COUNCIL THAT IS INTERESTED IN EVEN CONSIDERING ALLOWING 24 DEVELOPMENT ABOVE THE 150-FOOT ELEVATION, THEN IT WOULD SAVE TIME 25 09339 McDaniel Court Reporters (805) 544-3363 8 AND MONEY TO KNOW THAT NOW. BUT REALLY THE DISCUSSION AROUND 1 THAT TOPIC WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE TO OCCUR AS A SEPARATE 2 AGENDA ITEM AT A FUTURE MEETING. 3 MAYOR HARMON: SO RIGHT NOW WE’RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE 4 INCLUSION OF IT AS A POTENTIAL OPTION AND NO OBLIGATION 5 WHATSOEVER TO INCLUDE IT IN THE END RESULT? 6 MR. CODRON: YES, WE ARE ABSOLUTELY ON RECORD AS SAYING NO 7 OBLIGATION. AND-- AND I THINK WHAT THE CONCERN OF THOSE WHO HAVE 8 SPOKEN TO THIS POINT IS THAT ONCE THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED AND 9 ACCEPTED AND THE EVALUATION OCCURS AND THINGS MOVE FORWARD IS 10 THAT THERE IS A FEELING THAT THERE, YOU KNOW, IS SOME OBLIGATION 11 BECAUSE IT’S BEEN PLANNED THAT WAY. 12 AND HOW WE ARE APPROACHING IT IS WITH AN OPEN MIND ON 13 THAT MATTER. WE’VE HAD VERY DIRECT DISCUSSIONS WITH THE APPLICANT 14 IN THAT RESPECT. 15 AND INTEND TO PROVIDE, EARLY ON IN THE PROCESS ONCE WE 16 HAVE THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW BACK, INFORMATION FOR DECISION 17 MAKERS SO THAT THEY CAN MAKE THAT DECISION WITH THE BENEFIT OF, 18 SORT OF, FULL DISCLOSURE OF WHAT THE EFFECTS WOULD BE. 19 MAYOR HARMON: ALL RIGHT. DO ANY OF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE 20 ANYTHING ELSE THEY WANT TO ADD? VICE-MAYOR? 21 VICE-MAYOR RIVOIRE: YEAH, THANK YOU, MADAME MAYOR. AND 22 THANK YOU, MICHAEL -- OR DIRECTOR CODRON FOR FILLING US IN. 23 I UNDERSTAND THE PERSPECTIVE. I WAS ON THE COUNCIL, I 24 THINK, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ISSUE FROM COUNCILMEMBER 25 09340 McDaniel Court Reporters (805) 544-3363 9 CHRISTIANSON WHEN WE LAST DISCUSSED THIS. AND SORT OF LOOKING AT 1 THE CONTEXT OF THIS PROJECT AND SOME OF THE ADJACENT USES, WHICH 2 ARE ABOVE THAT HEIGHT LIMIT, AND REALLY THE INTENT OF THE POLICY, 3 I’M COMFORTABLE PROCEEDING ALONG THESE – ALONG THE CURRENT PLAN, 4 WHICH IT TO EVALUATE THE IMPACTS EITHER WAY RATHER THAN TO 5 CONSTRAIN THE SCOPE AT THIS POINT. 6 OBVIOUSLY, STILL, WE’LL HAVE TO WEIGH IN TAKE INTO FULL 7 ACCOUNT THE IMPACTS AS – AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE PROCESS, BUT I’M 8 OPEN TO SEEING WHAT THE REST OF THE COUNCIL THINKS. 9 IT’S REALLY UP TO YOU, TOO, AT THIS POINT. 10 MAYOR HARMON: COUNCILMEMBER GOMEZ? I’M SORRY. YES? 11 COUNCILMEMBER GOMEZ: I’LL WEIGH IN. 12 MAYOR HARMON: OKAY. 13 COUNCILMEMBER GOMEZ: YEAH, I’M ALONG THE SAME LINES AS 14 DAN ON THIS ONE. I – I KIND OF WANT TO SEE WHAT THOSE IMPACTS ARE 15 BEFORE MAKING THAT DECISION TO COMPLETELY REMOVE THEM FROM THE 16 – THE CONVERSATION. 17 MAYOR HARMON: OKAY. AND I’M WITH YOU ON THAT THEN. SO 18 WE’LL MOVE FORWARD THEN? WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? 19 VICE-MAYOR RIVOIRE: I’LL MOVE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. 20 COUNCILMEMBER GOMEZ: I’LL SECOND THAT. 21 MAYOR HARMON: CITY CLERK? 22 MADAME CLERK: VICE-MAYOR RIVOIRE? 23 VICE-MAYOR RIVOIRE: YES. 24 MADAME CLERK: COUNCILMEMBER GOMEZ? 25 09341 McDaniel Court Reporters (805) 544-3363 10 COUNCILMEMBER GOMEZ: YES. 1 MADAME CLERK: COUNCILMEMBER CHRISTIANSON? 2 COUNCILMEMBER CHRISTIANSON: I’M GOING TO SAY NO. 3 MADAME CLERK: MAYOR HARMON? 4 MAYOR HARMON: YES. AND WITH THAT, IT PASSES THREE TO ONE, 5 WITH COUNCILMEMBER PEASE BEING RECUSED. 6 (END OF RECORDED MATERIAL.) 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 09342 09343