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CONSTRUCTION BOARD OF APPEALS MINUTES
July 29, 2014
ROLL CALL:
Present: Board Members Rebecca Jansen, Stacy Neely, Mathew Quaglino, James
Thompson, Vice-Chair Niel Dilworth, and Chairperson Robert Vessely
Absent: None
Staff: City Attorney Christine Dietrick, Legal Fellow Isaac Rosen, Chief Building
Official Joseph Lease, Neighborhood Services Specialist Daniel Del Rio,
Code Enforcement Officer Cassia Cocina, and Recording Secretary Diane
Clement, city attorney Staff—see agenda
New member Stacy Neely was sworn in at the beginning of the meeting. Chair Vessely
and Vice-Chair Dilworth were reelected unanimously.
ACCEPTANCE OF THE AGENDA: The agenda was accepted as presented.
MINUTES: The minutes of March 17, 2014, were approved as amended.
PUBLIC COMMENTS ON NON-AGENDA ITEMS:
There were no comments made from the public.
PUBLIC HEARINGS:
1. Review of the Role of the Construction Board of Appeals. (Isaac Rosen, Legal
Fellow, City Attorney’s Office)
2. Review proposed changes to SLOMC 1.24 (Isaac Rosen, Legal Fellow, City
Attorney’s Office)
PUBLIC COMMENTS: There were no comments made from the public.
BOARD/STAFF DISCUSSION of Items 1 and 2:
Attorney Dietrick stated that changes have been made to streamline the appeal process
for code enforcement and, as a result, the CBOA may be asked to review a building
official’s interpretation and application of code before an action is taken by the City.
She added that any action addressing immediate safety issues would be an exception.
Chief Building Official Lease stated that abatement issues may be brought to the CBOA
in addition to appeals.
Members Dilworth and Jansen both stated that this is in conflict with the Bylaws.
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Attorney Dietrick stated that the Bylaws cannot circumvent statutes. She noted she can
take Board suggestions for Bylaw revisions to the City Council and that changes in the
process are designed to allow the development of a full administrative record and to
identify those cases that might lead to a challenge on writ, which is a more formal
process than the usual judicial review by the Superior Court.
Member Quaglino expressed concern about how to deal with appeals to the State
Water Quality Control Board requirements for storm water runoff since many of the
requirements are not even doable.
Chief Building Official Lease stated that the board would be reviewing cases where
there are violations, such as dumping. He noted that the City is required to enforce
provisions of the State water quality laws.
Attorney Dietrick added that the City could incur fines if there is a lack of documentation
showing that these provisions are being enforced.
Member Jansen asked how a storm water violation citation is handled.
Attorney Dietrick stated that it has been an informal process using employees or
volunteers with expertise to consider an appeal but that she is advocating there be a
number of consistently trained and competent hearing officers who can be called upon
to participate in full-blown de novo hearings that would result in a documented record.
In response to a question from Member Dilworth, Chief Building Official Lease stated
that the procedural changes proposed are intended to clear up misconceptions about
the role of the CBOA and benefit the overall process of code enforcement.
Attorney Dietrick added that the City needs to revise Chapter 1.20 Appeals Procedure
to be in conformity with State law.
Member Dilworth asked about retaining some language in the Bylaws that has been
deleted in the revision.
Chief Building Official Lease stated that the same language is in the Building Code and
is not needed in the Bylaws. He added that there just needs to be an understanding
that the Board of Appeals is about property and the Non-Technical Board is for dealing
with non-technical matters where experts, such as engineers, are not needed.
Attorney Dietrick stated that the Bylaws could specifically reference the Building Code
which would mean any changes in the Code would be automatically included and the
City Council could then confer additional review authority on the CBOA. She noted that
using the revised procedure provides a low cost method of appeal and also addresses
the need for documentation in case lawsuits are pursued against the City.
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Member Vessely noted that if appellants use the low cost path, they lose the right to file
a lawsuit. He asked if a hearing officer is the same as an administrative law judge.
Attorney Dietrick responded that was not the case because the City did not want the
expense; instead, the City may get volunteer retired lawyers to serve as trained hearing
officers. She noted that the baseline requirements codified in the Code for due process
are notice of violation and the right to present evidence.
Member Vessely stated that the procedure seem to be a bureaucratic process that does
not have anything to do with the CBOA and that there is a need to talk to the Board
about how staff wants to expand the duties of the Board to deal with issues like storm
water and sewers. He added that he disagrees with the approach staff has taken and
that if staff appoints a new Board, it should be completely independent and separate
from this Board but it would be fine if someone wanted to serve on both.
Member Jansen stated that there are two issues: changing how issues trickle down to
the CBOA and expanding the scope of the CBOA.
Member Vessely stated that staff should not assume that because Board Members are
familiar with building and accessibility codes, that they are familiar with all codes.
Attorney Dietrick noted that there is a skill set around reading a set of codes and
applying them, and that issues, such as public urination and noise, do not usually
involve technical expertise but are more about evaluating the credibility of witnesses
and/or hearing a police officer describe what was seen or heard and from what
distance.
Member Dilworth stated that he appreciates the confidence and faith in Board Members’
technical backgrounds and abilities to deal with codes for other things like storm water
issues but that this is like asking an attorney to deal with something outside of that
attorney’s area of expertise.
Attorney Dietrick stated that judges do this all the time and this is what briefs are about.
Member Dilworth expressed concern that errors and omissions liability insurance
policies for architects and engineers state that the insured will not go beyond his/her
area of expertise. He added that his reluctance comes from training and background.
Member Quaglino stated that when he became a Board Member, there had not been an
appeal in years, but the issuance of more citations now may be setting the stage for
more appeals. He added that code officers looking for violations make for a different
environment.
Chief Building Official Lease stated that he is going to the City Council in November for
a study session on a rental housing inspection program and, if the Council adopts an
ordinance, there will be inspection of all rental housing, resulting in more enforcement.
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Attorney Dietrick stated that there is a high level of concern about having the processes
in place as the City continues to expand the scope of inspection and violation.
Member Thompson stated that if a storm water issue came before him, and two civil
engineers disagreed on technical details, he would not have the knowledge to make a
judgment.
Chief Building Official Lease stated that if a storm water violation appeal came before
the Board, staff would provide a report with photos and background and, although no
citations have been issued, the City does need the ability to hear potential appeals.
Member Dilworth stated that his primary interest is in construction and he is not
comfortable with issues like barking dogs or noise.
Member Vessely asked staff to consider Board Member comments and craft a means to
broaden the scope of the Board.
Member Quaglino stated he is comfortable looking at the codes but he is not interested
in judging neighborhood issues like noise or dogs because building codes are black and
white while the other issues require personal judgments.
Member Neely stated that she is interested in serving on the Non-Technical Board.
Member Thompson stated he is interested in an expanded role for the board and in
serving on the Non-Technical Board but wants the ability to say when he thinks he does
not have enough knowledge to deal with a particular issue. He noted that the new
process is probably better for the public.
Member Dilworth stated that he could handle plan review for storm water.
3. Update on recent past cases before the Board (Joseph Lease, Chief Building
Official)
• 1128 Moro Street: Non-compliant awning has been removed; owner has plans
to put up a new awning.
• 2080 Rachel Street – so far the retaining wall permit has been obtained and the
house is unoccupied.
Chief Building Official Lease introduced Daniel Del Rio, formerly a City Park Ranger,
now a Neighborhood Services Specialist.
ADJOURNMENT: The meeting adjourned at 3:35 p.m.
Respectfully submitted by,
Diane Clement
Recording Secretary